We wuz snookered!

The problem with putting it that way is it becomes me impugning the reputations of the scientists. I don't have any evidence to do that. The science is 'real' if you are reporting your findings and in this case a conjecture, couched as probability, not certainty. It doesn't become not science because you're wrong, which is why Isaac Newton is still considered a great scientist despite being colossally wrong in every frame of reference except this one.

There is a large contingent of people, especially in governments, that want to roll back the western world. I don't know if it's self-hate or they see some opportunity or something else entirely. This issue was hijacked by them, just as environmentalism has been. But acknowledging when something was misused, if there's no evidence of bad faith, only strengthens your position. If nothing else you completely knee-cap the blanket 'you're just anti-science' dismissal.

By 'no evidence of bad faith' I mean the initial findings that started all this — not the circus that followed, which had and has plenty.

EDIT: Much of which you were pointing out initially. It may not have seemed that way, but I was agreeing with you but with context.
Everybody, including "scientists", have personal biases that cloud their minds to facts that don't fit their presuppositions. This is why peer review is critical and must not be meer formality. As was demonstrated during the mass COVID hysteria, far too many are easy to buy.
 
Everybody, including "scientists", have personal biases that cloud their minds to facts that don't fit their presuppositions. This is why peer review is critical and must not be meer formality. As was demonstrated during the mass COVID hysteria, far too many are easy to buy.
Are you saying 1 million Americans did not die of covid or it was acceptable to get covid and pass it along to someone with COPD and kill them, even if they had a mask? My sleep doc had brain fog so bad and for so long he almost had to quit practicing. He is otherwise a healthy person. I personally am in the camp that this was not a wild virus and it escaped from the Wuhan bio weapons lab. I think we got lucky more didnt die from a more lethal varient. Perhaps you are too young to remember the other pandemics.
I got so sick in the pandemic of 1958 I hallucinated with the fever.... 1.1 million people died during that one. Was that hysteria? My wife was sick for weeks in the pandemic of 1968. Again, one million people died world wide. Hysteria? 1918...polio...both hysteria?
I lost an aquaintenance whose doc told him he wasnt sure of the vax.... I dont think he thought it was hysteria....
I have COPD and I carry a filled script of paxlovid as well as getting the shots... my boughts were pretty mild.
I dont think Ebola is hysteria either.
 
Logic would suggest the highest CO² emissions occurring between 1915 to like 1965... (the wars, followed by Wirtschaftswunder, then recession...)

But during the 70ies they warned about a dawning ice age... 🤔
They cant even predict the weather for a week from now.....anyone who tells you another mini ice age is coming or the earth will burn up 5 years from now is dulusional or working for the network news.
 
Yeah.. you can use 100,000 years as an average and it won't tell you squat. It's like taking your blood pressure today then tomorrow and saying 1 day average is your blood pressure is rising, or falling.

100,000 years to the earth is like one breath to us... 50 years is truly ridiculous... and natural things like volcanoes do more than our cars...

Besides, we will destroy ourselves long before the earth kicks us off....

Saving the planet... HA... what a joke... The planet is fine, we're just trying to save ourselves.
At my age, I just get a bucket of pop corn and watch what the human race is doing to themselves and others....:smile-popcorn:

I dont worry too much about climate change , no matter what causes it. Volcanos, forest fires, or CO2. But I have to live with its effects. Besides our long term drought, There are more 90 degree days as well as hotter days, which stresses my 15 acres of trees to the point where the bark beatles are killing them. And our wild fire season is more severe. Being semi arid already, it doesnt take much to change our climate here...maybe there will be another ice age after I am gone. For right now, I have to deal with reality. However short or long term it is.

In Spokane, the historical 30-year average is 19 to 21 days per year where high temperatures reach or exceed \(90^{\circ}\text{F}\). However, due to recent climate trends, summers have been notably warmer, with some recent years hitting \(40\) or more days at or above this threshold. [1, 2, 3]
The exact breakdown of Spokane's \(90^{\circ}\text{F}\) weather trends provides a clearer picture: [1, 2]
  • Official Climate Normal (1991–2020): The National Weather Service 30-year average is exactly 20.8 days per year. [1]
  • Decadal Trend: Over the last decade, this average has crept upwards, with many summers recording significantly more hot days than the historical norm. [1, 2]
  • All-Time High: The record for the most \(90^{\circ}\text{F}\)+ days in a single year was set in 2021 with 40 days. [1]
 
Some interesting discussion..... I guess my standpoint from the beginning of this whole mess... climate change.....Covid...... electric vehicles.... cause du jour is to remain a skeptic. Just because some scientist displayed some figures and made a guess doesn't make it so. As Manfred pointed out even scientists have personal biases that must be considered when you are digesting their findings. The other thing I have learned, a long time ago, is to follow the money. This is perhaps the first rule of skeptical scientific inquiry. Virtually every Federal agency was doling out money by the handful to those entities who were investigating and promoting climate change. It was certainly unprofitable to be a skeptic. Many of the forum old timers may remember back in the Covid days when a a group of "scientists" were very critical of the State of South Dakota for allowing the Sturgis rally to proceed without restriction. They were predicting that thousands would die as a result of rally attendence when the attendees disbursed back to their home communities and spread the plague. It never happened. I spent quite a bit of time studying their calculations and hypotheses and called BS. Much like the infamous "hockey" stick extrapolation of climate change, the numbers were doctored to make the result equal what the scientists wanted the outcome to be. I think the next thing coming down the pike is the controversy regarding the sudden need for data centers. I think that they will be crucial to the US to maintain our technological superiority, but they appear to have a "follow the money" taint and public opinion may be being tainted by Chinese interests. Remain skeptical

Mike
 
Are you saying 1 million Americans did not die of covid or it was acceptable to get covid and pass it along to someone with COPD and kill them, even if they had a mask? My sleep doc had brain fog so bad and for so long he almost had to quit practicing. He is otherwise a healthy person. I personally am in the camp that this was not a wild virus and it escaped from the Wuhan bio weapons lab. I think we got lucky more didnt die from a more lethal varient. Perhaps you are too young to remember the other pandemics.
I got so sick in the pandemic of 1958 I hallucinated with the fever.... 1.1 million people died during that one. Was that hysteria? My wife was sick for weeks in the pandemic of 1968. Again, one million people died world wide. Hysteria? 1918...polio...both hysteria?
I lost an aquaintenance whose doc told him he wasnt sure of the vax.... I dont think he thought it was hysteria....
I have COPD and I carry a filled script of paxlovid as well as getting the shots... my boughts were pretty mild.
I dont think Ebola is hysteria either.

I'm saying that whatever COVID is, it ain't what the government said. And the we'll never know how many died OF COVID as the FDA was paying doctors to report COVID as cause of death even if there were no symptoms. More people suffered from the government's dictates than from the virus.
 
Doesn't matter. Nature will shake us of like a dog shakes fleas.
Either a big rock or a little, teeny, tiny bug.
 
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