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Clutch vs no Clutch
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At some point I will have to ride a DCT and see if it compares well with my Subaru CVT with its easy to use paddle shifters.
He is correct that the world has moved on to the automatic transmission in automobiles. But there is a price there. They are way more expensive to maintain and they disconnect the driver from the control of the vehicle. Not especially bad except many people in cars are so disconnected they eat, put on makeup, and use their cell phones, While driving.
He is correct that the world has moved on to the automatic transmission in automobiles. But there is a price there. They are way more expensive to maintain and they disconnect the driver from the control of the vehicle. Not especially bad except many people in cars are so disconnected they eat, put on makeup, and use their cell phones, While driving.
To much worrying about what someone else is doing. Ride YOUR bike YOUR way and don't trouble your head about what others are doing.
On an anecdotal note; I was about 12 when my best friend's dad bought an automatic pick up truck!!! What?!!? We didn't know that an automatic truck existed, we scorned the idea and poor Bob was embarresed that his dad had done such a terrible thing.
And here we are now days, where you can't buy a standard in some pickup brands....life moves on pretty fast, sometimes it's hard to keep up.
On an anecdotal note; I was about 12 when my best friend's dad bought an automatic pick up truck!!! What?!!? We didn't know that an automatic truck existed, we scorned the idea and poor Bob was embarresed that his dad had done such a terrible thing.
And here we are now days, where you can't buy a standard in some pickup brands....life moves on pretty fast, sometimes it's hard to keep up.
I like the DCT on my 25 NT1100 but now wish the manual has been available. The throttle response on the NT1100 is very jerky at slight openings and a manual clutch could mitigate it by feathering it at low speed or cornering exits. The throttle response on the NT1100 is such that it will probably be what sends it down the road for me, it's that bad. I won't tolerate having to ride in the neutered "rain" mode.
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Have you tried any of the 3 sport modes. This will take the jerkyness away is slow motion moves compared to "D"
Try other modes and let us know. I accidently switched to sport mode on my Subaru Crosstrek and I thought the car was broken. It drove terribly jerky. The FJR on sport mode has a terrible throttle response.
Something I posted elsewhere, titled "The Honeymoon is Over"
I just got back from a trip down to the Georgia mountains on my now, 4000 mile 2025 NT1100 DCT. Too long, don't want to read; the throttle buck on this machine is some of the worst I've ever experienced in my 59 years of continuous motorcycle riding. I've had and/ridden nearly every brand out there and the throttle buck at partial openings is going to send an otherwise good motorcycle down the road. The only thing stopping me at the moment is that I have trips planned and don't have time to shop something else. But, I can say this, at my first opportunity I'll sell it at a loss while it's still under warranty and find something else.
Putting a motorcycle in "rain" mode to ride down a dry, mildly bumpy side street is ridiculous. Even then, it doesn't cure it completely. Speaking of rain, both Honda saddlebags leak at the lid seals. Nothing was intruding on them like the internal straps or anything else. Not only do they leak, dust gets in as well.
For me, riding aggressively in the mountains of north GA and US 129 up at the Gap, manual shifting mode works best. I can see that holding 2nd is necessary for the uphill switchback that S3 wants to tackle in 3rd, then find out mid corner that it's too high. Speaking of manual shifting/mode, the bike will downshift uncommanded as you slow down, say driving hard into a corner, braking hard and turning in. I experienced that from 2nd to an uncommanded downshift to first in a tight right hander. The only cure is to drag the rear brake and load up the trans with the throttle. Then ease it off as you leave while adding throttle. There is no way to override the auto downshift in manual mode. That was a little disappointing. However, the button shifting/DCT is better than ANY quickshifter apart from that. No need to close the throttle for downshifts or upshifts, just bang bang bang. Very fast shifting and very, very little chasis upset. Five stars for that.
The throttle buck is across the board in all modes, some worse that others, rain mode is passible for throttle buck when riding the twisties, however the wait for throttle response is too long. Ditto for Urban mode as well. I've also played with engine braking to try and minimize the problem but in the end, it's all about the fuel trims at partial open and closed throttle positions. A very close friend has an ST1300 that also has a notorious on and off switch for a throttle. As I understand it from him, no one, in the entire model lifespan has cracked the fuel mapping on the ECM, you got what you got. That doesn't give me much confidence that someone will be able to crack the problem by altering the ECM fuel map. If they could, I'd pay serious money to have it done and void my warranty today if it worked. Speaking of the stock fuel map, it seems as though throttle input is slightly restricted in some gears, even though full power and S3 have been selected. My guess is it's written in to save someone from "Whiskey Throttle".
The bike is comfortable, it handles better than it should for it's size and weight. I hate to pass it on but it is what it is, even if Honda changes future models, you can bet your last dollar an ECM reflash won't be available for older models. Now before anyone says "blame the EPA" I'll say this, Harley's DELPHI throttle by wire is as good as a CV carburetor in terms of throttle response. If they can do it, have mercy on Honda if they can't. Other brands have great FI mapping across the board as well.
I had a 2004 BMW R1150RT with electric boosted brakes, they were terrible. I knew right away they were going to cause our divorce but rode it 50k miles on the chance it was me, not the bike. I should have sold it sooner, because of that one thing, it was a miserable motorcycle.
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I'll be around as long as I have the bike and I would urge anyone who is thinking of buying an NT1100 to do a serious test ride at a demo days or one of the new bikes that pop up for sale with very few miles on them (throttle buck may be why). The "life circumstances changed" in the ad could very well be, "I hate this thing".Last point, none of this is due to the DCT, other than the uncommanded downshifts in full manual mode (and I suspect it's because the trans has to be moving to make the shifts back down to first) the DCT is a heck of a thing. My guess is no one who has recently jumped on the "auto" bandwagon, ie Yamaha, KTM and BMW, is going to do it as well as Honda. That said, a manual trans NT1100 rider could mitgate the throttle buck by feathering a manual clutch at slight throttle openings.
Now all I have to do is figure out how many sets of rear brake pads to order before we part ways.
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