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A good article in Bike Magazine (UK) about the 2025 NT1100. It is now the best selling sport touring bike in Europe and attractively priced. Based upon their experience with the NT700V I am afraid that Honda will not stick their neck out again and bring it over here to North America. It's truly a shame that with the exception of chain drive it ticks all the boxes we have all yearned for.

Mike
 
mikesim said:
... attractively priced.
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hmm... some might object...

NT1100 DCT ES: € 19,290,-
NT1100 DCT: € 17,390,-
NT1100: € 16,190,- (that's the NHS version...)

Topcase 08ESY-MLF-TBBZA: € 600,-

And if you're into Reynaers MasterWall:
Scratch kit panniers 08L80MKTD00: € 170,-
Scratch kit topcase 08L83MKTD00: € 75,-

Aux light kit 08ESYMLFFL22YM: € 550,-
comfort seat pillion 08R73MLFE00ZA: € 110,-
comfort seat rider 08R75MLFE00ZA: € 150,-

alternative:
urban accessory package 08HMEMLFURG: € 730,-
voyage accessory package 08HMEMLFVYG: € 1,720,-

My ST1100 came for 15,000,-... 🤔
 
Just checked the effect of inflation (here in US) from the LAST year the ST1100 was sold in 2001.
Your cost of 15,000 in 2001 would be equivalent to 26,350 in 2024. MUCH more expensive than the new NT1100.
Not a fair price comparison with 20+ years difference.
 
This (Not available in USA) is beginning to get to me...I am finding myself looking at the new breed of Maxi Scooters..like the Honda 750 Forza or the T Max Yamaha...as I age this style of 2 wheeled stuff is really appealing...Looking forward to cruise control..dct transmission..electric windshield huge luggage capacity etc...I ask myself..will I die before these treasures will find their way to our shores???This 47 HP....a2 european license business is a big PIA for us Mericans.....
 
Inflation is an important criteria when looking at the cost of things over time. My 2014 FJR cost, as a left over, $13,800 in IIRC 2016. That's $18,150 in today's money. The cumulative inflation has been 31.5 % from 2016 to now. A manual tranny 2025 NT1100 will set you back 12,679 pounds or $15,886 with panniers installed at factory if I am reading the specs right. Panniers will now hold a full faced helmet. Curb weight with Panniers is 551 lbs. FJR is two mother in laws (650 lbs)
I would say the NT1100 in a US market could not be ignored. Its 100 lbs lighter but doesnt have a shaft drive or electronic wind screen.

But I would have to say in the current motorcycle climate in the US, its not worth bringing over. IIRC Even the Suzuki 1050 was either a 2023 model or a 2025 model....I dont think they felt the need to import a real 2024 model. Not sure about that....But would love to know the sales figures for the Suzuki and other ADV bikes.
 
ST1100Y said:
hmm... some might object...

NT1100 DCT ES: € 19,290,-
NT1100 DCT: € 17,390,-
NT1100: € 16,190,- (that's the NHS version...)

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NHS Version ?? 🤔 National Health Service version... Doesn't compute...
 
Coyote Chris said:
Inflation is an important criteria when looking at the cost of things over time.
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Which is pretty much the issue...
Back then I was easily able to afford the amount for an ST1100... for ATS 500,- (now € 35,-) I was able to overload a grocery shopping cart, stuff stacked on top... about two~three weeks worth of food in there... (mind that i.e. a BigMac came for ATS 18,-/€ 1,30,- then...)
These days you'll get like 6 (six!) items for € 35,-... a week's worth of food does not come under € 150,-...
Same development on energy and fuel prices...
Salaries did not increase in the same rate... not by far... (like € 2035,-/month in the 90ies vs € 2500,-/month today... net., after tax...)
And today mentioned Big Mac comes for € 4.99,- !! ... nearly 4 times the price... on pretty much e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g. ....

So how does anyone come to the idea that a regular person would be able to afford a 20K motorcycle?

Folks ends up with lease, bank loans and vendor financing plans... dept for decades which outranks the value of the actual possessions by far...
Dunno how people stuck with payments up to their ears deal with that mentally...
 
The bulk of the motorcycle industry is focused on the asian and european markets selling huge numbers of mopeds and small scooters so that pretty much leaves the larger motorcycle to the well heeled ($$$$) client and so the numbers are not there to maintain a profit for the company.I read that the next generation are not too enthusiastic even owning a motorcycle so with the dismal sales of larger capacity bikes available in the U.S they are trying to break even with the inflated pricing..With the current state of the world I really dont know where all this is going to end .What I do know is the new offerings out there are an incredible example of design and engineering giving the choice no matter what company you go to with almost bullet proof reliability and comfort, so it ends with relative high cost reducing the numbers of ownership... so I have to slap myself to understand just how fortunate to be able to own and ride these machines.
 
Reniram said:
I read that the next generation are not too enthusiastic even owning a motorcycle...
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Today's kids throw those all around the city...

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ST1100Y said:
Today's kids throw those all around the city...

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Do people still live in the cities? The two cities nearest me are Duluth MN and Ashland WI. Since I moved here in 1970 the population of Ashland has dropped 18% and Duluth has dropped 9%. Within a 1 mile radius of my house I had 3 neighbors and now I have 18.

During COVID breakout people discovered that they could work from home and fled Minneapolis like rats jumping from a burning ship. The good news is that my property value increased by 250% since 1970 and by 100% since COVID began. But my country (Bayfield) still has no traffic lights or railroad tracks.
 
Chain drive instead of shaft drive; in my opinion defeats the main purpose of the NT.
For me the primary reasons for getting NT were:
  1. Shaft drive
  2. Fairing
  3. Builtin saddlebags
 
I am salivating over the idea that the 750 Honda Forza scooter would be coming to the USA....or should I just admit it never will...shaftdrive kinda..luggage....weather protection...low cog cruise control...OMG!....please.....
 
ST1100Y said:
Which is pretty much the issue...
Back then I was easily able to afford the amount for an ST1100... for ATS 500,- (now € 35,-) I was able to overload a grocery shopping cart, stuff stacked on top... about two~three weeks worth of food in there... (mind that i.e. a BigMac came for ATS 18,-/€ 1,30,- then...)
These days you'll get like 6 (six!) items for € 35,-... a week's worth of food does not come under € 150,-...
Same development on energy and fuel prices...
Salaries did not increase in the same rate... not by far... (like € 2035,-/month in the 90ies vs € 2500,-/month today... net., after tax...)
And today mentioned Big Mac comes for € 4.99,- !! ... nearly 4 times the price... on pretty much e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g. ....

So how does anyone come to the idea that a regular person would be able to afford a 20K motorcycle?

Folks ends up with lease, bank loans and vendor financing plans... dept for decades which outranks the value of the actual possessions by far...
Dunno how people stuck with payments up to their ears deal with that mentally...
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I dont get Americans. 1 trillion dollars in personal debt. Credit cards loaded to the max. Many families making over 100k a year one paycheck away from disaster. Yet everyone seems to think they have the money to get the family on an aeroplane and travel for T-day or XMAS and they buy homes and cars and trucks way out of their means. And they line up on Black Friday to buy junk they dont need that will go into an expensive storage facility.....And they think the feral govt should bail them out when they poor choices......
The thing of it is, most really cant afford a $20 k bike when you figure in the cost of maintenance and insurance and gas, etc.
 
ett said:
Chain drive instead of shaft drive; in my opinion defeats the main purpose of the NT.
For me the primary reasons for getting NT were:
  1. Shaft drive
  2. Fairing
  3. Builtin saddlebags
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Here...step right this way and spend 10 min. on my $8000 VFR...it now has a real luggage rack and wind screen. vfr 1.JPG
 
Mellow said:
It would be tough to be young these days but I bet every generation says the same thing, ever since rock and roll.
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Well, over here the youngsters moan that they will never be able to build an existence, assets, house/home with a halfway decent vehicle in the garage, so why bother to begin with, hence refuse to start any job/career (while violently demanding state founded "unconditional basic income for everyone"...) and blame boomers and gen X for this... :rolleyes:

What they ignore totally is that we too had to build our existence first, no gifts, no such thing as a free lunch, it took us all at least till late 30ies/early 40ies to build our current life-standards...
 
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Building an "existence" takes time and determination. It is not handed to you. Young'uns' need to learn this lesson. The sooner they do, the better off they will be.

Mike
 
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