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This F150 driver didn't know he was on fire till other motorists singled him. His brakes didn't work. Perhaps he missed a warning light?
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EV's are like flying cars. Always just a year or two away, then they will be PERFECT. Nope.
hybreds seem to do better....In the case of this Ford, nothing forward of the firewall was left.....I hope the news interviews the guy. He said the only way he knew the truck was burning was people were passing him down and frantically waving at him, so the fire must have been low while the mechanics of the EV system still kept the car going forward. When he saw the smoke and flames, he tried to break but no joy, but he did manage to get it off the side of the road and get out. (Flying car concepts are ridiculas......they can only be sold in a few European countries and face way too many hurtles from the FAA and NSTB in the US. Tell your insurance agent you want one and watch his face.....
 
Thankfully, we came to our senses and didn't listen to the pols. Hopefully, our next foray into EV's (if there is one) will be at a much more measured, thoughtful pace.

Mike
 
hmm... that much about zero emission vehicles...
Them "zero emission vehicles" leave more tire bits on the road, wear roads out quicker than normal vehicles because the EVs weight so much. Guardrails are not designed for the heavier vehicles, either.
 
Them "zero emission vehicles" leave more tire bits on the road, wear roads out quicker than normal vehicles because the EVs weight so much. Guardrails are not designed for the heavier vehicles, either.
Parking garages are only build to handle so many lbs....what if every vehicle is 25 percent heavier?
 
Interesting article in the WSJ about so called green energy.......the countrys that rely on it have the highest cost per kilowatt hour. Why? Because they have to have a back up when the wind dont blow and the sun dont shine. Dont get me wrong....I like water power as long as there is no drought and solar is good in some applications...but my personal believe is that small modular nuclear plants , possibly sodium cooled, are the only real future....in the graph, you can see Denmark is screwed.....60 percent of their energy comes from intermittant sourses...where they have to buy electricity if the sun doesnt shine...how much does the sun shine in Denmark in the winter, anyway?

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Them "zero emission vehicles" leave more tire bits on the road, wear roads out quicker than normal vehicles because the EVs weight so much. Guardrails are not designed for the heavier vehicles, either.
Over here they finally decided to tax them...
Fully right so, a VW ID3 (which is a bloody compact!) weights 2 tons, hence does its fair share on wearing down road infrastructure... € 514,-/anno seem fair...
And Elon's "Swasticar" with 535HP is far from being an Eco-mobile to begin with... € 950,-/anno still seems a bargain...
 
hybreds seem to do better....In the case of this Ford, nothing forward of the firewall was left.....I hope the news interviews the guy. He said the only way he knew the truck was burning was people were passing him down and frantically waving at him, so the fire must have been low while the mechanics of the EV system still kept the car going forward. When he saw the smoke and flames, he tried to break but no joy, but he did manage to get it off the side of the road and get out. (Flying car concepts are ridiculas......they can only be sold in a few European countries and face way too many hurtles from the FAA and NSTB in the US. Tell your insurance agent you want one and watch his face.....
I have a 2023 Ford Maverick Hybrid truck. Wasn't sure about a Mexican built Ford, but it has been fine. Averaging 38+ mpg with mostly hiway driving. The eCVT transmission (a sun gear and four planetary gears, NO pulleys) is flawless, as is the Stop-Start system. Two electric motors, one acts as a starter, no external starter, no alternator, electric AC, not a single belt.. The transition from ICE to Electric to Charging modes are imperceptible. The Hybrid battery is small. I can only get a little over 2 miles on electric only, but the battery is there mainly for a little boost. It is NOT a 50 mile electric only Prius. The battery is a small one and is below the rear seat on the passenger side. The whole hybrid system in the Ford is based on a joint Toyota-Ford collaboration. Probably why the Ford system works so well . . . it's Toyota.
I would NEVER get an EV. Unless HUGE gains are made in the battery systems, I think EV's will remain as toys or short commute vehicles and ICE and Hybrids will co-exist peacefully.
 
.but my personal believe is that small modular nuclear plants , possibly sodium cooled, are the only real future.

In theory small nuke plants may work, but nuke plants come with extra stuff to deal with such as security and things. When those costs are added in I doubt that small plants make sense.
This is future stuff, it is just theory for now.

Arknt
 
Interesting article in the WSJ about so called green energy.......the countrys that rely on it have the highest cost per kilowatt hour. Why? Because they have to have a back up when the wind dont blow and the sun dont shine. Dont get me wrong....I like water power as long as there is no drought and solar is good in some applications...but my personal believe is that small modular nuclear plants , possibly sodium cooled, are the only real future....in the graph, you can see Denmark is screwed.....60 percent of their energy comes from intermittant sourses...where they have to buy electricity if the sun doesnt shine...how much does the sun shine in Denmark in the winter, anyway?

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I think the small nukes are the way to go, however, I don't think that sodium would be advisable as the coolant of choice. Sodium is some very nasty stuff! If you think a lithium fire is spectacular wait til you see sodium react with oxygen!

Mike
 
Just read where Northvolt, Europes largest EV battery manufacturer has filed for bankruptcy and will be liquidating assets and closing their new manufacturing plant in Poland. Over $15 billion dollars was invested in the start up. The plant was Europe's best hope to compete against the Chinese for EV battery supremacy. Northvolt's failure is now calling into question the wisdom of the continuing investment in Quebec's large battery plant. The losses realized in pursuing the fantasy of the EV in recent years will make any potential investor chary of an EV redux if and when it becomes engineering and commercially realistic.

Mike
 
In theory small nuke plants may work, but nuke plants come with extra stuff to deal with such as security and things. When those costs are added in I doubt that small plants make sense.
This is future stuff, it is just theory for now.

Arknt
There is no such thing as free energy. Or safe energy. Or net carbon zero energy. But How many people has coal mining killed, ignoring climate change? In 1952, in five days, Coal killed 4,000 people in London. The only problem in the US is that great spirits often encounter violent opposition from Mediocre minds. The country that developed the B29, Napalm cluster bombs and the nulcear weapons systems could do this if they wanted.
in 2024, Amazon and Energy Northwest announced plans to develop up to 12 small modular reactors (SMRs) near the Columbia Generating Station in Richland, Washington, with Amazon funding the initial feasibility phase of the project.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Project Location:
    The SMR project is planned to be sited near Energy Northwest's Columbia Generating Station nuclear energy facility in Richland, Washington.

  • SMRs:
    The SMRs will be the Xe-100 design, a high-temperature gas-cooled reactor developed by X-energy.

  • Funding:
    Amazon is funding the initial feasibility phase of the project through a $334 million agreement with Energy Northwest.

  • Project Scope:
    The agreement aims to develop and deploy up to 12 small modular reactors (SMRs) at the existing nuclear site.

  • Energy Northwest:
    Energy Northwest is a consortium of state public utilities.

  • Amazon's Role:
    Amazon is investing in the project to help meet their data center power needs and contribute to a net-carbon-zero future.

  • Columbia Generating Station:
    Energy Northwest operates the Columbia Generating Station, Washington's only power reactor.

  • Other Nuclear Projects:
    In addition to the SMR project, there are other nuclear energy initiatives in the Tri-Cities area, including efforts to revive a dormant research reactor.

  • Washington State's Nuclear History:
    The Tri-Cities area has a long history with nuclear energy, dating back to World War II's Manhattan Project and the Hanford nuclear reservation.
 
Just read where Northvolt, Europes largest EV battery manufacturer has filed for bankruptcy and will be liquidating assets and closing their new manufacturing plant in Poland. Over $15 billion dollars was invested in the start up. The plant was Europe's best hope to compete against the Chinese for EV battery supremacy. Northvolt's failure is now calling into question the wisdom of the continuing investment in Quebec's large battery plant. The losses realized in pursuing the fantasy of the EV in recent years will make any potential investor chary of an EV redux if and when it becomes engineering and commercially realistic.

Mike
I was reading in the WSJ that a large company that was going to make hydrogen powered over the road trucks is in bancrupcy. My Demo Gov has put the kybosh on converting our ferries to plug in hybreds....the old gov left the state 4 billion in debt. In Spokane, a lithium ion storage building went up in flames...the animal shelter had a fire due to a lithium ion blu tooth speaker. My wife wants a hybred....I used to laugh when I heard a Prius had a larger carbon footprint than a Hummer....I am not laughing anymore. I think the break even point with hybreds is 150,000 miles.
 
I was reading in the WSJ that a large company that was going to make hydrogen powered over the road trucks is in bancrupcy. My Demo Gov has put the kybosh on converting our ferries to plug in hybreds....the old gov left the state 4 billion in debt. In Spokane, a lithium ion storage building went up in flames...the animal shelter had a fire due to a lithium ion blu tooth speaker. My wife wants a hybred....I used to laugh when I heard a Prius had a larger carbon footprint than a Hummer....I am not laughing anymore. I think the break even point with hybreds is 150,000 miles.
At the time, my 2023 Maverick hybrid was cheaper than the Ecoboost engine. I would walk before I would have a turbo charged ANYTHING. I would HAVE to walk if I had a turbo. They have the life expectancy of a fart in a hurricane.
 
At the time, my 2023 Maverick hybrid was cheaper than the Ecoboost engine. I would walk before I would have a turbo charged ANYTHING. I would HAVE to walk if I had a turbo. They have the life expectancy of a fart in a hurricane.
My 6 year old Ranger w/Turbo 4 has been awesome and zero issues..
 
Turbo charged 3 liter, V6 in 2008 Mercedes in Class C RV. Max weight and towing a Suzuki SUV up and down mountains in the west. I treat the motor like a rented mule. Keep good oil in it and added an additional transmission cooler. Sprinters are high mileage vehicles used in many trades.
 
At the time, my 2023 Maverick hybrid was cheaper than the Ecoboost engine. I would walk before I would have a turbo charged ANYTHING. I would HAVE to walk if I had a turbo. They have the life expectancy of a fart in a hurricane.
When I was looking into extended warrantes for a new subaru, the turbo charged model warrenties cost 20 percent more.
 
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